Would you like more information and transparency for the electoral vote maps?

Yes, more information and transparency will enable more informed discussion   262 votes - 93 %
No, it's not necessary   18 votes - 6 %
 
280 Total Votes
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Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 11)

I agree 100%. I would recommend this, but this Obama supporter's ability to recommend diaries has been mysteriously taken away.


by animated on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:56:54 PM EST

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 6)

If others could rec this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. :}


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:59:43 PM EST
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Rec'd (2.00 / 5)


_____________
changiness
by lizardbox on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:00:02 PM EST
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Re: Rec'd (2.00 / 2)

Thank you. I lost my rec ability this week.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:36:34 PM EST
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Re: Rec'd (1.00 / 2)

Get a new username.


by Jordache on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:14:26 PM EST
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More Transparency From Political Candidates (2.00 / 1)

I think transparency is a good thing. We should start with politicians. When you trade your money for a contractor's labor, there is a legally defined set of deliverables spelled out in a CONTRACT. However, when politicians like Obama make promises, they often make promises that they have no intention of keeping. In Obama's case, this is shown in his healthcare 'plan' which - CAN'T POSSIBLY WORK as its written, indeed, if the cost of healthcare per individual is defined as the cost to provide the service plus a set profit, Obama's plan, with his recent changes (to make it look 'universal') WILL ACTUALLY END UP MAKING HEALTHCARE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR 90% of AMERICANS - ! (if he truly does make it so insurance companies can only price by age, then the setup will be much like that in New Jersey, where individual health insurance is expensive, or Seattle, where its very hard to get a policy.)

Do the math!

Wikipedia article on Adverse Selection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_sel ection

Mathematica Adverse Selection Simulation (free download)
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Advers eSelection/

http://www.economist.com/research/Econom ics/alphabetic.cfm?LETTER=A


Adverse selection

When you do business with people you would be better off
avoiding. This is one of two main sorts of market failure
often associated with insurance. The other is moral hazard.
Adverse selection can be a problem when there is asymmetric
information between the seller of insurance and the buyer;
in particular, insurance will often not be profitable when
buyers have better information about their risk of claiming
than does the seller. Ideally, insurance premiums should be
set according to the risk of a randomly selected person in
the insured slice of the population (55-year-old male
smokers, say). In practice, this means the average risk of
that group. When there is adverse selection, people who know
they have a higher risk of claiming than the average of the
group will buy the insurance, whereas those who have a
below-average risk may decide it is too expensive to be
worth buying. In this case, premiums set according to the
average risk will not be sufficient to cover the claims that
eventually arise, because among the people who have bought
the policy more will have above-average risk than
below-average risk. Putting up the premium will not solve
this problem, for as the premium rises the insurance policy
will become unattractive to more of the people who know they
have a lower risk of claiming. One way to reduce adverse
selection is to make the purchase of insurance compulsory,
so that those for whom insurance priced for average risk is
unattractive are not able to opt out.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:33:14 PM EST
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Re: More Transparency From Political Candidates (2.00 / 1)

thank you for once again trying to hi-jack the discussion.


I read the body count out of the paper; now it's written all over my face.
by JDF on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:23:25 PM EST
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Re: Rec'd (none / 0)

But if we get a new username - as I had to two weeks ago after being here for four years - you lose all the connections, comments, diaries and relationships you've built up. It shouldn't be necessary.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:11:49 PM EST
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Re: Rec'd (2.00 / 1)

it's also against the rules to zombie...


by zerosumgame on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:10:41 PM EST
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Right.... (none / 0)

Slap my wrists


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:18:30 PM EST
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Re: Right.... (2.00 / 1)

or maybe take away your ratings ability? DUUUUUUUUUUUH


by zerosumgame on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:26:48 PM EST
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Yes but at least.... (2.00 / 1)

I don't make a complete ass of myself in a public thread.

You've just gone down the list, trolling every comment you don;t agree with. But please carry on. It's amusing to watch.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:30:24 PM EST
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well as normal you are wrong (1.50 / 2)

I saw LOTS of comments I disagrees with. the only ones who got TR's from me were the whiny baby ones trying to blame their own actions on a vast MyDD conspiracy and basically calling the admins here traitors. and you wonder why you and your ilk get their ratings taken away?


by zerosumgame on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:35:34 PM EST
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Logic 101 (none / 0)

Dude. Simple cause and effect - how could they have got they're rec'cing and ratings powers taken away for complaining about having their rec'cing and ratings powers taken away.

Technically you're abusing the site guidelines for trolling thus. But since the site guidelines have turned into a total farce, it's not big matter.

And when it comes to whining, you're the star of that farce: all you've done is whine about the whiners. Guess you win first prize.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:40:29 PM EST
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oops, sorry about that (none / 0)

I know how it is when you build up a big faux outrage over an imagined conspiracy then get slapped with facts...

:)


by zerosumgame on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:29:39 PM EST
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You know what? (none / 0)

If you're going to make content free comments, at least ensure they're funny or something. And if you're spoiling for a fight, take an ambien.  


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:32:25 PM EST
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LOL oh how my heart bleeds for you! (2.00 / 1)

here you take the time and trouble to zombie yourself just so you can 'teach us all a lesson' with you wondermus edumacation and book larnin to us po' white trash. after all what do you care about rules or courtesy when you just know everyone else is against you...


by zerosumgame on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:38:56 PM EST
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From their own words ye shall know them (none / 0)


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:41:57 PM EST
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Re: Rec'd (none / 0)

zerosumgame is concerned with rules, who knew?  Along with knowvox, 4justice and TeresainPA you are one of the worst TR abusers on the site.  And you are at it again today.  Counting down until zsg TR's this post 5....4....3....2....1  


by interestedbystander on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:27:36 PM EST
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Lost my ability this morning, (none / 0)

I think because I have been a little salty in some of the more disingenious diaries.  But I'll give you Mojo


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:05:30 PM EST
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wait I misspoke I couldn't b/c in poll results (none / 0)

format.  Rec'd


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:06:29 PM EST
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The Maps (2.00 / 1)

The Maps have always reported only the most recent poll in a state.  This rule is applied evenhandedly.  It might not have "averages" of states' polls, but it shows the most current state of the race, per the wildly fluctuating state polls.  Sometimes the map misrepresents Obama's strengths, sometimes it misrepresents Clinton's strengths.  There is no nefarious intent behind it and the maps have been that way as far as I can remember.

FWIW, if the maps do change as part of a site overhaul, I would also add that MyDD removes or at least displaces the fake delegate counter that incorrectly portrays an "official" count incorporating the democratic obscenity of excluding Florida and Michigan.  The 50 state + territories counter should be the official one and the one that selectively excludes states should have the asterisk.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:47:28 PM EST
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Re: The Maps (2.00 / 1)

I've never seen the maps overrepresent in favor of Obama.  Ever.


by ProgressiveDL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:10:38 PM EST
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Re: The Maps (none / 0)

I am not sure?

But the map give AR to republicans, even in Clinton-McCain matchup.  That's because the last poll done (quite a while ago) is also the only one in which Clinton doesn't have the lead.  

I think the maps come from a certain site.  If I could remember it, I shall give a link.


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:55:46 PM EST
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Re: The Maps (2.00 / 1)

You shouldn't have to remember it. You should be able to click on the state and get information about what poll was used, when it was taken, etc.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:59:01 PM EST
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Open Left has a good explanation (none / 0)

The maps rely almost exclusively on state polling done by Rasmussen and Survey USA. Both pollsters tend to lean conservative, whether by design or the way they state their questions. Until other reputable pollsters start regularly polling the states, the maps are over-reliant on two pollsters with a conservative slant. If you go to pollster.com and real clear politics, you can see that Obama is winning some states that the MYDD maps do not reflect, so the electoral projections are bogus. The point of the maps on the site is to benefit Clinton. Once Clinton officially concedes, we'll see if the maps change.

http://www.openleft.com/


by jadegirl on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:40:07 PM EST
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Re: Open Left has a good explanation (none / 0)

Don't hold your breath.  Even if Clinton's goal is not to destroy Obama so she can win in 2012, it IS the goal of many of her supporters.


by ProgressiveDL on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:45:12 PM EST
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Re: The Maps (none / 0)

What poll is currently giving Illinois (of all places) to McCain over Obama?????

That's just nuts.


by David in NY on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:17:26 PM EST
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why remove ability to recommend diaries? (2.00 / 4)

Removing ability of some users to recommend diaries seems to only serve a partisan political purpose.

If MyDD management did this, they disappoint me.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:08:56 PM EST
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I can't either. (none / 0)

Nor mojo.  Jerome neutered my account when it was only a few days old.


by McNasty on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:50:47 PM EST
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Re: I can't either. (none / 0)

Mine too, we are legion.  And I had the poxiest amount of comments - two or three pro-Obama, one in which I dared to mock the great and powerful Alegre, and another which was pro-Clinton and then I was castrated.  But I still come here for the entertainment!!


by boondoggle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:30:36 PM EST
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Re: why remove ability to recommend diaries? (2.00 / 1)

Believe it.  I'm a victim.


John McCain the flip-flopper...
by chinapaulo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:18:43 PM EST
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Re: why remove ability to recommend diaries? (2.00 / 2)

I lost it for a while, then wrote a diary yesterday that had a bunch of comments from people in the same boat.  Jerome came in and made a witty little comment, and then BAM, I had it back.  Toying with us mere mortals.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:18:27 PM EST
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myself as well. (none / 0)

barumba. Is it trolling if we make new accounts just to be able to rec people?


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:34:00 PM EST
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Re: why remove ability to recommend diaries? (none / 0)

Mine too.


by Jordache on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:15:22 PM EST
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Re: why remove ability to recommend diaries? (none / 0)

Me too. I can still read hidden comments, so mine was removed because I'm an Obama supporter.


Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.
by Agent77 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:24:18 PM EST
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I DOUBT if that is the reason you had problems.. (2.00 / 0)

Maybe there is something you are not telling us, Agent 77?


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:34:57 PM EST
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Re: I DOUBT if that is the reason you had problems (2.00 / 1)

Nope. Like dozens of other Obama supporters, he's been SELECTIVELY DISENFRANCHISED.

Why do you think this is? It started happening when too many Pro Obama diaries started making the rec list.

Now as a Hillary supporter you might be tempted to support this. But actually I appreciate the debate, that's why I'm here, and I would abhor it if your rec'cing or rating powers were taken away, Architek. I'd write to the admins.

Democracy only survives through reasonable DISSENT.

And here on a democratic blog - just words - these principles are not only vital, they're existential


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:16:48 PM EST
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yep, it's all a corn-spiracy (2.00 / 0)

by then unedumacated hillbilly racists. not a chance it could be because of your behavior. nah, not a chance, after all you are a saint...LOL


by zerosumgame on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:53:52 PM EST
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I'm so naughty (none / 0)

Behavior? What do you mean? By being elitist and actually having the gall to string a coherent sentence together? And I was so rude congratulating Hillary supporters for their victory last night, and complimenting them on their candidate.

Sorry, dude. Don't fit the stereotype. Go and find someone who does.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:07:31 PM EST
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Re: yep, it's all a corn-spiracy (none / 0)

And just what is this comment other than a smack down to Obama supporters?  How you maintain your ratings ability is the question, it is not as if you go around spreading cheer and good will amongst Democrats.


by temptxan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:42:47 AM EST
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Re: why remove ability to recommend diaries? (none / 0)

then you must be very disappointed in dkos.


by zerosumgame on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:51:50 PM EST
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Smile. (none / 0)

Ah. A whiff of nostalgia. You took me all the way back to January when that insult only merely lame. Now it's completely moribund.

But thanks for the memories.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:09:13 PM EST
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Re: Smile while you can (2.00 / 0)

kos is as bad as freeperville in allowing only viewpoints that agree with the mis-admins and kos.


by zerosumgame on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:18:53 PM EST
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Who's talking about Kos? (none / 0)

This is about the MYDD electoral maps. If you have an issue with the Orange Satan, have the bravery to take it there.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:24:44 PM EST
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Re: Smile while you can (none / 0)

The refuseniks weren't banned at Kos, only outnumbered.   They left of their own accord (and are still obsessing over it).  


by interestedbystander on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:24:18 PM EST
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Just pretend (2.00 / 2)

I recced this too.  I am also under the Obama supporter ban on being able to rec diaries.  

It's like a special brother/sisterhood.  

Rise up....all ye unable to rate be proud of your scars of war!


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:12:02 PM EST
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Re: Just pretend (2.00 / 2)

Me too.

How feeble of who ever is doing that to Obama supporters.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:17:33 PM EST
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Re: Just pretend (1.00 / 0)

Basically Jerome is doing this to anyone who "Serially Recs" diaries in such a fashion as to intentionally delute the Permanent diary holders (alegre, texasdarlin, teresa)

thats all it is plain and simple.

his site will have many problems, just read the comments here:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/13/1842 51/009


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:19:59 PM EST
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It is his site. (1.00 / 0)

I'm sure that's how I rose to his attention.  It's lame, but whatever.  I think this site will be under new management before too long anyway.


by McNasty on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:52:12 PM EST
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Re: It is his site. (1.00 / 0)

I hope  so.  

Well, what's to be expected given the example their candidate has set?

Classy.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:55:31 PM EST
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Persecution complex, or faux-outrage.. (2.00 / 0)

Take your pick..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:37:07 PM EST
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all these widdle feetsies (none / 0)

and so many tantrums in one thread :)


by zerosumgame on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:19:49 PM EST
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False choice (none / 0)

As I've said elsewhere, I'd stick up for Hillary supporters who were selectively disenfranchised. But your sense of democracy is only partial, clearly.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:21:39 PM EST
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Re: It is his site. (1.00 / 0)

I hope  so.  

Well, what's to be expected given the example their candidate has set?

Classy.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:55:31 PM EST
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Re: It is his site. (2.00 / 1)

with a comment like that, you wonder why?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:00:39 PM EST
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Wonder why what? (1.00 / 0)

Do I wonder why Jerome's gone so far out on a limb that he's going to have to hide himself away until 2009 if he hopes to be listened to in the future?

Or:

Do I wonder why discourse here has been so uncivil and disconnected with reality for so long?

Yes, I wonder about both things, but our comments have caused neither of them.


by McNasty on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:03:28 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (2.00 / 1)

i wasnt referring to your comment - the person that insulted both jerome and HRC in a few short words.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:14:40 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (2.00 / 1)

Why is everyone who is so upset at Jerome still posting here?

If you are upset, leave.

There are many other blogs.

I think he's kind of full of it on Clinton's chances, but I understand where he's coming from.

Move on if you are so miserable here with your frozen or "neutered" accounts.


by reggie44pride on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:22:39 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (1.00 / 0)

So you think Jerome is right to be a baby and take away people ability to REC,  thats it, to REC a diary.

Why the hell would he take that away.

Jerome needs to keep stepping,  I for one will stay here until he stops this shit.

This website is far too dangerous to be left alone with oppressive censorship like this.

I would rather be apart of helping heal this site, then destroying it on other blogs (as HUNDREDS of people are doing on ALL progressive blogs).

If Jerome changes the mission of this blog, puts his weight behind the republicans then I will leave.

Advice to anyone, if you are going to start a blog, dont have a "top boss"


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:26:51 PM EST
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Why don't you start your own blog? (1.00 / 1)

The Internet beckons. You can start your very own Obama echo chamber in around five minutes.

blogger.com

blogspot.com

etc..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:39:03 PM EST
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perhaps why rec'ing power is removed (none / 0)

I don't have the time to go digging for it, but a few days ago someone commented on an Alegre diary that he or she delibrately rec's all Alegre diaries without reading them so it can be used as a platform to make fun of Clinton supporters and continue to "prove" what a sham the site is.

I hurriedly checked the rec's on that particular diary and the majority came from new user names who posted slash and trash comments...aka TROLLS.

I strongly believe the site is infected with Republican trolls who take the position of a "supporter" of one candidate or the other to keep flame wars going, keep the best diaries off the rec list, especially those posts and comments making the case for unity.  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:12:29 AM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (2.00 / 1)

i could not agree more.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:28:20 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (2.00 / 1)

with reggie that is.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:30:01 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (1.00 / 0)

Yes, but you're usually wrong.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:45:00 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (none / 0)

What does that have to do with anything?  This is a site for electing Democrats.  It's not an arm of the Clinton campaign.  Clinton supporters aren't even in the majority - they just have all the reccing ability.


Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.
by Agent77 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:25:55 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (none / 0)

I think what happens is that people start to think of this place as a true, democratic, sounding board kind of place and forget that in fact its a highly partisan, subjectively slanted place run by one particular person who for reasons that many of us are still trying to fathom, has cast his lot with Clinton to the exclusion of everything else. And yes, the level of dialogue has suffered as a result.

That being said, I still think its one of the best, most thoughtful blogs on the web, which isn't saying much these days civility wise, but still...


by wasder on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:17:49 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (none / 0)

It's worth fighting for


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:20:18 PM EST
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Go away (none / 0)

That's the last recourse of a scoundrel. To which the only reply is: make us

I've been here four years, probably long before you came here. And I'll still be here when you're long gone I'd wager.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:12:17 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (1.00 / 0)

What McNasty said.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:27:34 PM EST
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Re: Wonder why what? (none / 0)

Efficiency is a virtue... Well if it's not it should be.  I'd rather read a short insult than a long winded one.


by matchles on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:18:47 PM EST
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Re: It is his site. (2.00 / 1)

Canadian girl. You're missing the point. I've never trolled you. I disagree vehemently with a lot of what you say, but I COMPLETELY defend your right to say it.

If you told me you'd been censored, or your powers circumscribed I would defend you, just as I defended you yesterday from an Obama supporter who said you had no voice here because you are Canadian.

Dissent, on a democratic blog, is indivisible.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:19:33 PM EST
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Re: Just pretend (none / 0)

It isn't that simple.

I only recced a handful of diaries and only gave one troll rating and was silenced.


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:53:20 PM EST
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Re: Just pretend (none / 0)

What we need to do is put up a diary every day, and all people wearing the "restricted" arm band can post a daily reminder of Jerome's iron fisted policies.

I wouldnt care so much if he was outright about it, but no he plays 'politician'.

He has never answered why remove REC privledges.

All these people still have trusted user status, yet Jerome doesnt think they can REC.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:15:34 PM EST
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Re: Just pretend (2.00 / 1)

Insignificant bloggers from insignificant states.


Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:18:33 PM EST
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Re: Just pretend (none / 0)

:invisible-2:

Thanks for that idea.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:36:40 PM EST
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Just pretend you care... (1.00 / 1)

Don't make me laugh.. You folks are the ones who seem obsessed with burying information that doesn't show your candidate in a glowing light with meaningless diary after meaningless diary. If something you don't like makes it onto the rec list, you try to 'bury brigade' it away. There are probably far fewer of you than the user IDs indicate, my guess is you use proxies or similar to multiply yourselves.

Of course, not having the server logs, I could never know.

Is that dishonest? yes.

>"What we need to do is put up a diary every day, and all people wearing the "restricted" arm band can post a daily reminder of Jerome's iron fisted policies."

Words don't describe how stupid some of you sound on here.

Do you really think you are doing your candidate a favor?

You are not.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:49:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Tin foil hat, architek? (2.00 / 1)

Suck it up, buster. It'll be all better after your brief period of grieving.

Doing my candidate a favor? I think you'd be doing yourself a favor to quit expecting Obama supporters like myself to feel guilty that your candidate ran such a poor campaign that she is now the presumptive loser in the nomination battle. I'm not apologizing and certainly wouldn't expect you to if the tables were turned. To think that we need to act nice in order to earn your vote is ridiculous.

If you want to vote against what I perceive is your best interest, then by all means, show me your best example of reverse evolution.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tin foil hat, architek? (2.00 / 1)

Thankyou. I'm tired of this kind of emotional bullying, and your response hits exactly the right notes.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:42:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just pretend you care... (none / 0)

Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. The wool has finally been pulled from my eyes, and for the first time I can see that the candidate I've been supporting for over a year and researching from well before that is obviously a fraud, that the entire campaign is nothing but a cult.

What have I been doing? The server farms subtly manipulating blogs over tor networks, the lies, the secrecy - all for naught! I repent! I repent! Please, let me bask in the glory of your candidate!


Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:40:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just pretend (2.00 / 1)

I'm wearing the arm band

Kudos to you George for leading this.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:21:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just pretend (none / 0)

Same for me.

I came here to support Obama, for sure, but in a respectful manner.  I want Democrats to come together and focus on the big prize; I'm not here to pick a fight.

I troll-rated ONE person for calling another commenter a RACIST.  Seemed to me that was completely in line with the rules for troll-rating.

And suddenly I can't rate?  Pretty silly, if you ask me.  And disappointing.  I'm enjoying contributing to the discussion, but I don't like feeling like a second class citizen.


"I am like a Rorschach test...even if people find me disappointing ultimately, they might gain something." -Barack Obama
by tastycakes on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:41:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just pretend (none / 0)

I stand with you, brother (or sister)!  This Obama supporter had only positive mojo, but I lost rec and rate privs for no apparent reason, with no warning, with no explanation.

Double plus ungood!


Graveyards of Illinois - http://www.graveyards.com/
by MattHucke on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:33:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm among that number (2.00 / 1)

I can understand the disciplinary measure of taking away the ability to rate comments based on abuse (though that seems to be applied selectively), but diaries? Not that this site is all that user friendly anyway (new windows for everything), but denying people the opportunity to provide positive reenforcement seems a little inane.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:31:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm among that number (2.00 / 1)

::invisible 2-rate::


Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:19:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm among that number (2.00 / 1)

The privileges probably come together.


by Falsehood on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:17:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 1)

Just for clarification, how does one recommend a diary? I'm no sure if I'm just unclear on how to do it or I was never given the ability to do so in the first place.


by werehippy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:40:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 1)

You should have a place to click on the top right of the diary.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:49:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 1)

If you have permission, look for the "Recommend" button in the upper right frame. There is also a link there so you can see who else recommended the diary.

Personally, I recommend diaries rarely, only when I think the diarist has a unique perspective, or information I have not seen elsewhere. I also give mojo rarely, and TR/Hide ratings almost never. Ratings and recommendations have been abused pretty badly during the primary season - by Obama and Clinton supporters alike. But I see it most from people who have spent alot of time at dkos - ratings and recs over there seem to be the basis of some sort of "Lord of the Flies" style culture.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:56:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 1)

Yep.  Me too on both points.


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:06:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 1)

I am only a week or so here and have never given a TR or HR...I can still mojo but apparently can't rec, looking everywhere for the button and can't find it. also an Obama supporter. Maybe I should have waited for Hillary to drop out before I joined, but I figured I'd get a couple weeks head start...


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:17:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

HEY! HEY, JEROME! Come down from the tower (2.00 / 1)

for a minute and tell us why we can't recommend diaries. You owe us an explanation if for no other reason than that we're providing content to your site.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:43:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 1)

Mine is gone too, finally.  I am back here to say that mydd's maps are a joke.  They still have Obama and Clinton winning Indiana while losing Michigan and Wisconsin.  For awhile they had Obama winning North Dakota while losing NEW YORK.


by Skaje on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:54:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 1)

I, too have lost the ability to 'rec' and rate. Oddly, I still have the ability to read hidden comments, so I am still a "TU". I have contacted admin twice asking why, but have received no response. I am becoming convinced it is censorship. 'Rec' an pro-Obama diary or 'mojo' a pro-Obama comment, lose your priviledges.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:29:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Mine too, I can't rate or Rec (2.00 / 1)

Mine too, I can't rate or Rec anymore.

I bet a lot of Obama supporters have the same problems.

Oops... I bet after this post I won't be able to post either.


by DaveDial on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:08:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mine too, I can't rate or Rec (2.00 / 1)

The telling part is that I have yet to see a Clinton supporter complain about the same thing.  Leads me to believe none of them lose it.  Coincidence?


by ProgressiveDL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:16:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mine too, I can't rate or Rec (2.00 / 1)

Some were banned a month or so ago for linking to right wing sites.

But Jerome obviously still needs up and our site traffic, so we're second class citizens but not exiled.

Oh. But I was exiled along with Bob Johnson for point out this manipulation of the rec list, which is on a par with the manipulation of the delegate counter (been going on for three months now) and the egregious manipulation in the last month of electoral map.

We can get editorialised spun BS on the MSM. We don't need it here.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:24:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 5)

They should just use Poblano's maps.


by Bobby Obama on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:57:11 PM EST

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 2)

Nah. They wouldn't like the truth. You know facts are stubborn things.


by sweet potato pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:59:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 4)

Well, I'm acting under the assumption that most people would prefer to have information that is recent, accurate, and which they can assess.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:00:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 1)

yeah yeah yeah, but Poblano has been so damn accurate, and Obama's doing better in his maps.... That's just not fair!


by luckymortal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:49:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Poblano's maps are awesome. (2.00 / 3)

I love Poblano's maps, and his overall approach to aggregating polls according to their reliability and recency.

For the record, they show Obama vs. McCain and Clinton vs. McCain to both be very very close, and essentially equal (Obama wins 49.6% of simulated contests, Clinton wins 49.3%), though with differents combinations of states.

peace,
lilnev


by lilnev on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:06:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 2)

I used to assume the same.  But then Jerome demagogued the popular vote metric myth, and nary a Clinton supporter spoke up about its inequities.

I'm thoroughly disgusted.  There's always a danger of the echo chamber on political blogs, but at the best ones, posters police each other.  You'll get lots of comments like "I strongly support X, but I think it's unfair to count things in his favor the way you do."  Not here.  Has anyone here ever seen a Clinton supporter criticize their candidate for her lies and hypocrisy about Michigan?  I haven't.  I've asked them to acknowledge it and gotten laughs in return.


by deminva on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:48:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A call for transparency - MyDD electoral vote (2.00 / 2)

Not only has Poblano proved himself to be a god, but his maps are a welcome break from the bipolar ones here or at electoral-vote.com .  This far out from the election, turning a state red or blue is silly enough, much less if a poll shows a 1 point margin.  Poblano's portrayal as shades of blue and red based on odds is much more useful.


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:22:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I second this. (2.00 / 8)

With the breadth of controversy surrounding this site,  I would suggest using third party analysts just in the sake of ethical journalism.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:58:21 PM EST

an alternative proposal (2.00 / 9)

I vote that Hillary's map be entirely blue, and Obama's map be entirely red. Beeton and steve468 could use some cheering up, a ray of sunshine...


by watchgeek868 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:58:46 PM EST

Re: an alternative proposal (2.00 / 7)

Todd has been a fair and reasonable Clinton supporter (no comment on steve468 and others), so let's not go after him. I also think his on-the-ground reporting from campaign events has been outstanding.


by DPW on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:06:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: reasonable? (2.00 / 4)

"Reasonable" went out the window last night with the tirade against Chuck Todd. sorry. Just callin' them like I see 'em. If you haven't read that one, you really should.  


by watchgeek868 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:11:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: reasonable? (2.00 / 3)

yea, it was pretty rediculous.

Whatever you do DONOT READ this thread, you might lose your lunch.

If you do read EVERY comment, you will see this site is in trouble:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/13/1842 51/009


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:14:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: reasonable? (2.00 / 2)

Hehe. Excellent example. "Reasonable" is getting harder and harder to find. Sadly, "quixote" had it about right in that thread -- "jumped the shark."


by watchgeek868 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:22:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: reasonable? (2.00 / 2)

Wow!  Those with a financial interest in this place should do some serious thinking.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:22:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: reasonable? (2.00 / 3)

I disagreed with that post by Todd, but I don't think it was wildly irrational or anything.

It's also worth noting that before he announced that he voted for Clinton in the CA primary, he was frequently called an Obama shill by Clinton supporters on this site. Even I was surprised by his declaration of support for Clinton. Much of his coverage reflected enthusiasm for Obama's candidacy, and I even recall him saying something like he "loves the guy." (I can't go back and find it, as it was just a comment in a thread. But, I'm confident about my recollection.)

That said, I think it's good to challenge Todd and criticize him. I just wouldn't lump him in with the truly delusional and nasty folks. Indeed, Todd knows who the real enemy is, as the following post illustrates:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/10/2154 48/685


by DPW on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:29:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: reasonable? (none / 0)

I heard him say it in person last year. Had a pretty good conversation with him about the then-nascent race while liberally drinking at Drinking Liberally. But his complaint about "made up metrics" is the height of irony, considering it was made on the front page of MyDD. The only way that could have been more hysterical would be if it had been written by Armando and posted on TalkLeft.
by Jay R on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:41:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: reasonable? (2.00 / 3)

FTR, I would never go so far as to label any of Todd's stuff "nasty." I agree that would be patently unfair. The book is not, however, closed on "delusional." Spraying bullets in Chuck Todd's direction and complaining about "made up metrics" certainly wanders into the "delusional" neighborhood.  


by watchgeek868 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:52:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: an alternative proposal (2.00 / 3)

Hey hey hey, if you've got a problem with Jerome and Todd, why are you here then? MYDD is a good progressive blog and they're just supporting their candidate like we are. Holding them accountable for these maps that seem to misrepresent the situation is necessary, as well as pointing out their errors about Obama, but lay off of them personally, please. Remember these are good folks who we'll be glad to have on our side once HRC endorses Obama.


by luckymortal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:53:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: an alternative proposal (2.00 / 3)

Seeking information outside of the echo chamber that supports you candidate is a good idea. You should try it some time.  The clarity that it brings might show you why we come here and laugh at you.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:01:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: an alternative proposal (2.00 / 2)

Just to clarify, I'm an Obama supporter. I come here to have discussions with members of the progressive community who just happen to think their candidate is better than mine, not to laugh at anyone. And I hardly consider MYDD a pro-Obama echo chamber....


by luckymortal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:48:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: an alternative proposal (none / 0)

It's a pro-clinton echo chamber. One that will shortly have plummeting revenue as Jerome has made the place into a joke on the other web sites.  He's pushed away a lot of people and helped a bunch of others to become misinformed.

btw, plenty of people come here to laugh at whatever ludicrous, low info shit they can find being spouted by some of the most delusional supporters of the hysterical NAFTA lady that you'll find anywhere.  I copy and past comedy from here all of the time.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:14:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: an alternative proposal (